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Tuesday, May 30, 2006

Why Freeze?

Quiet day... folks still slow getting back up to speed from the long weekend...

Maybe it's just me, but if I was White Bear Lake's Zach Hensen, and wanted to play hockey and golf for a D1 program after next season, I'd want to play somewhere that I could at least get in a round or two a week while I was playing hockey. How many rounds could he get in while playing for Sioux Falls vs. somewhere warmer like say... Santa Fe (who tendered him)? If he goes to the Stampede, I hope he buys lots of orange golfs balls.

Comments on "Why Freeze?"

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:54 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Perhaps he wants to play hockey instead of golf?

Just a thought.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:14 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Yep, its a hard choice to make, go play hockey for Santa Fe in front of a reported 453 average per game and play few games of golf while in Santa Fe. Santa Fe had 4(?) D1 scholarships issued to its players in 06.

OR

go play hockey for the Stampede in front of a reported 3489 average per game and play golf in the off season. Sioux Falls had 15(?) D1 scholarships issued to its players in 06.

It costs $0.00 for the kids to play in the USHL as the team picks up the entire tab, what is the cost for them to play in the NAHL?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:19 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Well USHL douche, it costs $0.00 to play in the NAHL as well. So, why don't you tell Gino and the boys to grow some sack and come play a few games down South and see what happens.

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (4:42 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Keep it civil, or I'll shut down the comments... It's amazing that a simple little comment suggesting that Hensen might be better served on the golf side by Santa Fe can turn ugly this quickly.

I think the cost issue was in regards to billeting and some equipment, not tuition.

I should note, however, that there is zero chance for any USHL player to get a D1 hockey scholly to Harvard, which is where Hensen is trying to go. That this caveat additionally applies to the NAHL doesn't help the argument of the USHL advocate.

The attendance argument is a non-starter. If we applied it to where the kid wants to go to college, he shouldn't consider Harvard because they only averaged about 2,308 this season. Of course, if he's dumb enough to let attendance sway his opinion, he probably won't be going to Harvard anyway.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:45 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Zero chance??? Tell that to USHL Lincoln's Tyler Magura who is playing hockey at Harvard. In fact Soux City's Chad Morin and Chicago's Ian Tallet are committed there as well.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:04 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

I saw Harvard at the Buc Bowl this year. Seems odd they would scout it if there was ZERO chance of them taking someone from the league.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:20 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

No players receive athletic scholarships at Ivy League schools. Athletic scholarships are not awarded at Ivy League schools. Individuals who are student-athletes receive academic and charitable scholarships as well as financial aid and assistance packages.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:32 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Scholastic scholarships given by the school count towards a teams allowed number of scholarships. So, even if the Ivy league schools don't give athletic scholarships they must count the academic scholarships against the NCAA scholarship limit. Basically these kids are getting an education (free or partially free) and playing hockey.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:09 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Got curious and checked the players listed on the Harvard web site against hockeydb.com and came up with these current members that played in the USHL/NAHL. Don't know if they were signed with Harvard before playing in the USHL/NAHL leagues or if have a scholarship.

USHL
John Daigneau Rochester Mustangs 1999-2001, Chicago Steel 2001-2002
Tyler Magura Lincoln Stars 2002-2004
Dave Watters Des Moines Buccaneers 2003-2004
Mike Taylor Green Bay Gamblers 2003-2004
Chris Kelley Green Bay Gamblers 2003-2004
Justin Tobe Danville Wings 2003-2004

NAHL

None listed as having played in the NAHL

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (8:34 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

The NAHL is not loaded into hockeydb.com. I went to the 2005-06 Harvard roster on USCHO.com and found four that were NAHLers - Jimmy Fraser, Ryan Maki, Steve Mandes, and Dylan Reese. If you count Justin Tobe for his NAHL stint in Danville (in 2001-02, before he went to Michigan State in 02-03 before returning to Danville-USHL in 2003-04), that makes five.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:27 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

please dont beat people down with the ushl vs nahl argument anymore... the ushl is insulted by the comparisons

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:11 PM, May 30, 2006) : 

Oh heaven forbid we wouldn't want them to be insulted. Next thing you know their self-esteem will be irreparably damaged, and we can't have that!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:33 PM, May 31, 2006) : 

Ah, another USHL brainwashed person. Ask 100 NCAA/NHL scouts where the best Jr. A team in the United States is (using development, placement, location, coaching, talent, facility, and fans as criteria), and the majority will tell you it is a certain team in the NAHL, not the USHL. I'll give you 17 guesses who it is, and the first 16 don't count.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:30 PM, May 31, 2006) : 

How many scouts have you spoken to? I get a chance to speak with 10ish a night working in the USHL just to see where they're from and who they're watching (cool guys usually, as we have stuff to talk about, since I spend time scouting Midgets and Canadian juniors, CSHL and yes, some NAHL for a USHL team). The fact remains that there are maybe 2 NA teams a year that could play in the USHL. The comparison is non-existent when it comes to moving kids to quality D1 programs. If I know a kid who wants to go to Wayne State and change in a locker room filled with sawdust from the circus, I'd recommend anyone to the NAHL.

I'd love to discuss this with you outside of the context of Marc's blog (which is always a good read) instead of just mucking it up more.

 

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