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Tuesday, September 05, 2006

Ohhhh, I'm a lumberjack....

Looks like the MnJHL is coming to St. Cloud in the form of the Granite City Lumberjacks... I wouldn't be surprised if one more Minnesota-based team is added before next season. One interesting comment to the story - How is a WSHL coach supposed to recruit a kid from Minnesota when the local MnJHL teams are undercutting tuition costs by $4,500? And the league wonders why half their rosters aren't full.

Update CORRECTION to clarify the above point: WSHL tuition has been fixed for the entire league at $6000. However, I have been informed they can charge less (Tulsa, for example, is charging $5,500), but the rate still has to be even across the entire team, and of course they can't offer tuition waivers. It's a consumer market out there when it comes to players. You have a league in the form of the WSHL that has over-expanded, and so there's not enough local/regional talent to fill the rosters. However, because their tuition is four times that of what is found in other leagues (and for an inferior product, no less), they an incapable of effectively recruiting players from outside their footprint.


My advice to Benjamin Rubin is to get to the NHL ASAP so that he can get more weeknight ice time...

The BCHL has a new website for this season. I'm not sure I can tell much difference from the old, but it's yet another four-column site.

Yeah, the NHL might look to Quebec for coaches, but what about for players?

What's this? Another 15 year old Junior B player who makes it to Junior A?

Comments on "Ohhhh, I'm a lumberjack...."

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:43 AM, September 06, 2006) : 

Undercutting costs? Could you explain please?

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (8:51 AM, September 06, 2006) : 

WSHL tuition has been fixed for the entire league at $6000. Teams cannot charge less or (as I have mentioned in the past) offer tuition waivers. It's a consumer market out there when it comes to players. You have a league in the form of the WSHL that has over-expanded, and there's not enough local talent to fill the rosters. However, because their tuition is four times that of what is found in other leagues (and an inferior product, to boot!), they an incapable of effectively recruiting players from outside their footprint.

Marc

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:45 PM, September 06, 2006) : 

So, why would anyone play in this league...besides being a local player?
And if teams cannot fill teams, I assume they are not making their budgets? So, why own this level of team, in this league, which you seem to indicate is not well run...

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (2:53 PM, September 06, 2006) : 

That's the $64 question...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:04 PM, September 06, 2006) : 

How is Tucson getting all these players from up North to come to Tucson if they are not offering lower tuition? Phoenix also seems to get many non-locals?

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (3:12 PM, September 06, 2006) : 

Well, you are talking about the two best coaches in the league, so that gives them some advantage compared to the other teams.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:09 PM, September 06, 2006) : 

So, you think these 2 teams do not offer some financial package?

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (8:20 PM, September 06, 2006) : 

I wouldn't know...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:57 AM, September 07, 2006) : 

Marc,

How does the WSHL police this policy and is this the first year it has been put in place?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:11 AM, September 07, 2006) : 

Marc, I know you keep pushing the concept that Jr B is a good route for 15 yr olds to take. But the majority of 15 yr olds lack the maturity - physical, mental, emotional - to play with others who could be as much as 5-6 yrs their senior, which makes midgets the better option for most. There will always be exceptions to the that of course,

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (12:17 PM, September 07, 2006) : 

I've posted a correction on the original post - it seems WSHL teams can charge less than $6000, but they have to charge it evenly across the entire roster. I stand corrected on the $6,000, however, and apologize for any confusion this may have caused...

As for how the WSHL enforces this policy, I have no idea. As Andrew Jackson after losing a case in the Supreme Court: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it."

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:54 PM, September 07, 2006) : 

So, in theory Tucson or anyone could charge 1000 per player. How would this be much different then tuition waivers? Maybe this is how teams get non-local players?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:30 PM, September 07, 2006) : 

Marc,
On a different note--any update on BlueLine? I assume this has fallen through yet again?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:54 PM, September 08, 2006) : 

Would a team get into trouble for waiving tuition and paying a players billet fees?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:10 AM, September 09, 2006) : 

how would anyone know in this league? Only Phoenix seems to operate on a business level...the rest seem to be garbage--maybe this is the Tim Best syndrome....Garbage in...garbage out...and Tucson seem to be that way as well...Just like Blueline opening again in May...June...July...August,,,Tomorrow...Bramahs...Group Ice--that mess is...MARC, you seem to get the best people calling u....

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:24 AM, September 09, 2006) : 

Marc,

I think you need to be unbiased and make a smart comment about the WSHL. Best coaches in the league? The Tilt? How dare you not mention Harry Mahood. His track record and reputation amongst the coaching fraternity is very good. He has put alot of players in college and true JR organizations. Jeremy Law has done nothing compared to him. Your a hockey guy! Now say the right things!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:26 AM, September 16, 2006) : 

Follow that Granite City story - those brothers are living in a DREAM world to believe Jr Hockey is going to make it in St. Cloud. The story, referencing beer & fighting, is ripe for these three stooges to dump a ton of money into and then cry wolf to the community for help.

I would also like to know what color the sky is in the world they live in by saying they may charge AS MUCH as $1500 per player. Every team in the MnJHL charges at least $2500 and it is dictated by the LEAGUE - not by the team. Welcome to the MnJHL boys!! You no longer have an individual business identity, but eight independent advisors. Watch out for the league accountant - he's a CROOK!!!

 

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