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Thursday, October 12, 2006

Spectator interference

Okay, fine... I'll talk about the Peoria-Tucson game Saturday night... It started as just your average forward-line brawl late in the game, three fights, no big deal. It got stupid/ugly when a Peoria parent shoved a security guard and ran out onto the ice. A Tucson player then skated over and bumped the parent, who promptly landed on his backside. The league reviewed the tape, and other than the automatic next-game suspensions for the fights inside the last five minutes, no other sanctions were levied. Other than the parent coming out, this was no worse that some 50 other incidents I've witnessed in 6+ seasons of following junior hockey (and another 10 years of Slapshot/bush league/AA minors before that).

I'll come straight out on this... spectators on the playing surface are fair game - in any sport. You take them out, period. You see them, but don't know their intentions, so why take any chances? After Tom Gamboa of the Royals was attacked in Chicago, folks should know better that to tolerate this sort of thing.

So, perhaps daddy was trying to protect his kid. Well, the kid dropped 'em willingly and got his ass handed to him, and from what I understand it could have been a lot worse as the Tucson player quit on the fight once the Peoria kid turtled. If daddy didn't like seeing his kid get pwn3d, he should have encouraged basketweaving or knitting instead. I have no pity for daddy, who had the audacity after the game to threaten assault charges on the Tucson player. The rink said "fine, we'll counter with assault on the security guard," and I'd think they could toss in criminal trespass as well. My suggestion is he be banned for all remaining Peoria-Tucson games, regardless of where played.

Comments on "Spectator interference"


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:54 AM, October 13, 2006) : 

Thanks Marc, sounds like Jungle B at its finest. No one should ever come on the ice...A huge problem here is the difference in talent between a Tucson team and Peoria is ridiculous. Teams get frustrated getting beat by 10 every game. This is a problem in this league. One of many, I suppose.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:04 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

Junior hockey is not for everyone (although that's what it's become).


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:37 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

Everyone that is willing to pay what it takes...Just like travel hockey in Dallas...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:44 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

Marc, you forgot to mention that 2 seconds prior to the drop of the puck and may-lay, a Peoria player tried to interfer with the goaltender. That action by Peoria pissed off the goaltender who attacked the player. Naturally, this level likes to protect the goaltender (aka 6 guys going for the drop em' mode). The parent who came onto the ice should be charged with tresspassing. Just another example where parents think they can do anything because they pay for the kid to play. I also heard that the guy wanted to press charges on the officials for losing control of the game. What a ma-roon! If Peoria wants to be competitive, get rid of the loser coach and start having more billet players. One of the parents said that Tucson was only better cause they had more kids from out of the area. Isn't that what Junior hockey is all about? You either win or go home!


Blogger Marc Foster said ... (4:03 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

I didn't forget it, I just didn't find it to be particularly relevant. A line brawl is a line brawl, regardless of the reason.

And not to dredge up last season, but where was this parent last season when refs in San Antonio let games get out of control many times? My "homer call" game was one example of non-calls leading to excessive escalation, and the Cajuns' game there was the other.

Still, as much as I can't stand Jr. B officiating, the refs are at this level for the same reasons the players are.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:34 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

1) there was no security guard by the door, both of them were in the snack bar.

2)The parent wasn't just bumped he got smoked. I am not sticking up for some donkey parent but things were out of control all the way around. As far as the game it was awful and from what I hear this weekend will be no different.
The WSHL is a joke all the way around.


Blogger Rhipley said ... (7:11 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

Sorry there anonymous, but I was standing right there by the door, and the parent was by no means "smoked" as you put it.
The played put his hands out to stop his progress and his feet went out and he fell on his ass against the boards.
You don't like the WSHL? Save your emblishing remarks for another league and stop trying pass them as fact.


Blogger sk8nzebra said ... (7:12 PM, October 13, 2006) : 


Before you assume that referee's are at this level cause they can not continue at higher levels, you might want to get some facts about who did the game. I was on the ice at this game. I have officiated at the college and NAHL level. I officiate here cause there is no other level available in the area without driving 200 miles. I have already done that in the NAHL level. Your comment of a line brawl is a line brawl is quite cocky! Some of your information is not correct, infact the security people who you said were knocked out of the way were sitting in the DJ booth in Little Anthony's Pizza. Sorry to correct your information, but I feel that everyone deserves hear all of the correct story.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:13 PM, October 13, 2006) : 

I guess my question is stripes, how is it you were so keenly watching the security guys eating pizza instead of paying attention to the ruckus on the ice?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:14 AM, October 14, 2006) : 

everyone has alot to say about this league, I just saw a team from Idaho drive 18 hours with eleven skaters play in Tucson. They were a Midget AA team at best. There was no security by the door. Ask rink manager Brian Paterson (520) 545-0700 who ran down from Little Anthonys when he realized the security was in the dj booth.The fact is the WSHL is a bad league.
And whats with the Canadien national anthem? Two American teams playing in America. Makes no sense. Facts~ Donkey


Blogger Marc Foster said ... (8:23 AM, October 14, 2006) : 

And this, children, is why I hesitated to even post about this game to begin with. These incidents become highly charged, and no matter what I say, someone on another side will contradict something. There is no right version.

As for my cockiness about the line brawl comment... look, I really don't care why it started. When you think about it, most start for one or more of the same half-dozen reasons, so unless it was something particularly egregious, why is the cause worth mention? The focus I wanted to bring to the post was the parent going out on the ice, and why it's wrong.

I was trying to be nice and not bash on the refs, despite other things I heard about the game. That one of the officials has called at a higher level is, to me, again irrelevant. One of the most incompetently officiated games I ever saw was a Texas Tornado-Danville Wings game called by Stephane Hebert, who's been in the CHL. You're only as good as your last game.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:55 AM, October 14, 2006) : 

So Tucsons legendary coach never sent his bench then?


Blogger sk8nzebra said ... (1:04 PM, October 14, 2006) : 

The reason that I know the guys were in the pizza place is because my friend was in the same place at the time. Of course I didn't know they were there.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:59 PM, October 14, 2006) : 

Fair enough stripes


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:47 PM, October 14, 2006) : 

Am I wrong, or does it seem that Tucson is a goon type team? First against Peoria and now this weekend as well. Maybe this is how they sell tickets to offset no player fees. Joke. 1 year and done. And the legendary coach can go back to Canada...joke/


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:48 AM, October 15, 2006) : 

I bet they sell 20-30 tickets a game so the gong show is just low class hockey.


Blogger Marc Foster said ... (10:41 AM, October 15, 2006) : 

Yeesh, if I didn't know any better, I'd think folks were talking about the (three-time defending champion) Texas Tornado.

Folks I'm a little confused. While I acknowledge there's been fights insome of the Tilt games, what incentive is there for a team that's up by 8-9 goals to start one? None of these fights have had instigator penalties attached to them. You need to accept the fact your kid is not playing midgets anymore and take your jealousy and you inadequacies elsewhere.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:25 PM, October 15, 2006) : 

I am confused, What are we supposed to be jealous of? Bad Hockey or teams that have 11 skaters because they have to charge all of thier players not just the ones that play on the fourth-sixth lines? One more thing do goailes that average 6-8 shots a night get bored?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:47 AM, October 16, 2006) : 

The problem is the huge difference in talent between the haves and have nots. This is not hockey. If Tucson is not charging players, they should be much better. Why in the world would they not charge? They are going to lose a ton of money? Do these poker guys really want to win a Jr B title that bad? At the end of the day, Jr B is not good hockey in this country. It does not compare to good Midget hockey. This is why people say this is a 1 year and done for Tucson.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:51 AM, October 16, 2006) : 

The WHA Junior West League is not charging any players on any of its six teams. They're even providing free gear and sticks. Their angle may be that the league owner also has the marketing rights to WHA souvenir gear, but the point is they've attracted good players and are getting favorable reviews from scouts, among others. Perhaps the WHA and the Tucson owners have found a new way for Junior B hockey to go forward. Let's hope so.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:38 PM, October 16, 2006) : 

For the poster who lamments Jr. B, please don't judge Jr. B on the ridiculous WSHL. Try looking at the good leagues and good programs. The WSHL is miles behind leagues like the MNJHL and the CSHL. Miles behind in level of play, player development, player promotion, league administration, and officiating. Don't jugde Jr. B by what you see in the worst run league in the nation. And Marc, players who don't wish to fight should never be jumped and attacked. Two willing combatans want to give it a go, then great. Jumping a kid for no apparent reason is not hockey.


Blogger PapaRef said ... (6:29 PM, October 16, 2006) : 

I have witnessed 6 games played by the Tucson Tilt. The Tilt have enough talent to play any style of hockey they want to play. They can be a finess team,or a physical team pending on the opponents play. One thing they will not put up with is the cheap shots from frustrated opponents. They are a "TEAM". They WILL stick up for each other.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:31 PM, October 16, 2006) : 

TEAM-Like the way that #27 for the tilt was made to come off the bench and enter the penalty box accepting a ejection for a fight that he had no part of? Is that what you call taking one for the team? You guys are a joke who thinks you are above law. this is really to bad because the team has good skilled players but seriously lacks integrity.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:59 AM, October 17, 2006) : 

This just in...

The Tucson Tilt have been found to be responsible for all the world's evils, including famine, global warming, nukes in North Korea, seal clubbing, and toe fungus.

That is all...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:23 PM, October 17, 2006) : 

There are many accusations towards the Tilt--from Goon actions to cheating by not charging any players...Although I am not sure why the owners would not charge players, especially since it is Jr B (which typically is not very good hockey), if the league permits it, they are following this rule. The biggest problem seems to be this league is garbage. Historically, only 1 team has been worth a damn--Phoenix, many teams come and go yearly, the talent level is bad, ownership is bad, real bad, or Tim Best bad. The league needs to fix itself. I am sure the other B leagues in the States are fine, but the WSHL is a joke. How there can be a talent difference between a Phoenix / Tucson type team to a Peoria type team is wrong. Almost most like a true AAA Midget playing a true A Midget...JUNGLE B is an accurate term unfortunately for this league.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:21 PM, October 17, 2006) : 

If only people would post on here some information that has some remote semblence of factual basis, Blogs would be so much more informative. (Sigh)
The last few posts regarding the Tilt and WSHL are apparently posted by the misinformed, the aggravted because they are getting any, or just down right mean spirited. Its Amature hockey for Criss-sake.


Blogger Marc Foster said ... (10:32 PM, October 17, 2006) : 

I could be wrong, but I think the comment blaming the Tilt for all the problems on the planet was sarcasm.

As for what this blog is and is not, I'd like to think the comments section (what you are reading right now) is just that and nothing more. It is NOT the blog. Comments made without my name attached are just that, comments of others, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of me. Some people put their names or other form of ID to their comments, others do not. As a matter of principle, I ALWAYS put my name with my words. Call it pride, call it ego... I really don't care. But the bottom line is I don't hide. Remember that the next time someone gets their panties in a wad and goes off on some anonymous rant here.

BTW, based on the size and composition of my readership, I think the blog qualifies as "informed." Again, that's the blog, not the comments...


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:21 PM, October 17, 2006) : 

So, you are saying the wshl is a good league? (2nd to last post).
It is a joke based simply upon the fact there are 2 teams that are good and will beat the rest by as many as they feel like. Tihs is with or without the Tucson rumors and style of play discussion. The membership changes yearly or in Dallas last year, monthly. Most teams are not stable. It is a bad league with - for the most part - low end players that will be in the local adult league within 2 years.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:58 PM, October 18, 2006) : 

I was also at all the Tucson home games and it is refreshing to have a good hockey team here, all we've had here are the Icecats club college team and a youth hockey program run by retards, the reason Tucson has to bring in players from out of town as there has been zero development at the midget level for years. Go Tilt!!!


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