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Monday, November 27, 2006

Topeka Tilt

It's not quite official, but it's about as close as you can get. Facing issues and uncertainty at their curent rink, the WSHL's Tucson Tilt are close to an agreement to move to Topeka next season. Tilt officials have a contract in hand to play at the 7,777 seat Landon Arena, former home to the USHL Topeka Scarecrows and a pair of CHL teams. The contract is expected to be signed in the next day or two, and a media announcement (other than me) should be out by early next week. The Tilt would shift to the Midwest Division after the relocation, making a good rival with Tulsa.


Comments on "Topeka Tilt"


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:18 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

i guess yay for hockey in topeka, but certainly boo for the poor level of hockey we are getting


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:35 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

Well, there ya go. A very vocal minority wants hockey back in Topeka at any cost, then when it appears it's on it's way, that's the first response they get. Amazing. Junior B hockey oughta sell well in a market that lost two professional and one Tier One junior team. Yeah, good luck with that. Why do I get the feeling that Landon Arena management prostituted themselves to get ANY team? Even the NAHL, as screwed up as that league is right now, would be better than the WSHL. And why is it ANY team, outside of the college club team, fails in Tucson?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:41 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

The Tucson Tilt are not failing. check out the rankings as they are nationally ranked #2 in both polls. The fact of the matter is there is rink uncertainty. This will be a great move for the WSHL as it will even the divisions and I believe the Topeka hockey faithful will embrace the Tilt.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:08 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

Junior B hockey in Topeka? Come on!!!


Blogger mctopeka said ... (6:20 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

Marc thanks for letting this out, you're the best.
I can garauntee the Topeka Hockey faithfull will support this team. We will have the highest attendence in this league. If we were in the NAHL we would have the 2nd or 3rd highest attendence numbers. I know this isn't an attendence driven league but with 2000 fans a night the players will know they have a crowd behind them. We will have about 800-1200 season tickets sold before this season is over, and they aren't even playing here yet.
The lease with the county is the same lease the Pro team had when they were here. $3500 approx. per game night is what the team pays for the arena. The Team gets all ticket revenues($350,000), a percentage of the concessions and parking + All of the dasher boards($67,000) and on ice logo advertisement revenue($35,000). The team will also get more advertising revenues but I can't think of them all right now. That price($3500) also includes all practice time and year round office space. So the Landon Managment(SMG) or the County didn't prostitute themselves at all. This team is going to make a lot of money. I know all of this because I helped in a small way to put this together.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:50 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

This is not a poor level of hockey. The Tilt are a great team. Our rink is going down the tubes (again) and will surely be shut down by April 1, 2007. We'd love to keep them here, so if the nay sayers don't want them, just say so. The coaching is first rate as are the players. We'll be at Nationals.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:52 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

Fairbanks Alaska lost a pro team and replaced them with a WSHL team. That team did very well, and now look at them.


Blogger ezstreet said ... (8:36 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

Hockey is back. The future looks brighter for Hockey in Topeka.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:49 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

Topeka wouldn't support a team in the USHL, how can it support a Junior B team? They didn't know how good they it with a team that brought some of the best talent in country into their home city 30 nights a year. I know people who worked with the Scarecrows and are very good hockey people now working elsewhere in the USHL. They are SO glad not to be in Topeka. Don't expect this team to last long there either.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:52 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

it is indeed a poor level of hockey, the tilt just happen to be a good team in this, a bad league


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:16 PM, November 27, 2006) : 

I was upset as anyone to see the USHL leave Topeka, but you cannot compare that team's failure to what a WSHL team might do. Anyone want to compare the operating budgets of a team in the WSHL, or the NAHL for that matter, and one in the USHL? The USHL team in Topeka drew about 1,800-2,000 fans per game. If the new team draws even 1/2 of those fans it will be profitable.

The biggest problem with the USHL in Topeka (or one of the biggest anyway), was that fans thought if they did not support it, the CHL would come back. Well, they got what they wanted and the CHL flopped terribly the second go around. Will this team make it in Topeka? It is hard to say. However, I do believe that a WSHL or an NAHL team has a much, much better chance of making it here than the CHL did, and also has a better chance than the USHL did - if nothing else due to the lower operating costs associated with those leagues.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:03 AM, November 28, 2006) : 

The BIGGEST problem with the USHL Scarecrows, was that, just like in Tupelo with the AWHL T-Rex, the "fans" thought that, if the team wasn't "pro," then it wasn't any good.

Junior B hockey isn't great. It can be good, but it won't be great. And it most certainly doesn't belong in Landon Arena. Junior B is a tuition-driven level. The players PAY to play. Hard not to be profitable playing in the proper facility.

mctopeka's enthusiasm is to be commended, but is likely to be, in my opinion, clouded by the "any hockey is good hockey" mindset. The only "guarantee" he can make of there being 2,000 fans a night, is to put up a performance bond, so that if 2,000 people a night don't show, then he covers the difference out of his pocket.

No, the Tuscon Tilt are NOT failing...on the ice. YES, the rink is going under. Tucson is NOT a hockey market, unless you want to watch college club level apparently. (Unless I am missing something)But, for the Tilt(Who the hell came up with THAT name? Sheesh!) to truly be at home, whether it be in Tucson, Topeka, or wherever, it needs to be in a RINK, not an arena. If the Tilt does move to Topeka(No deal has been signed yet. For this to even be out is just bad business), and if it does succeed to the level mctopeka thinks it will, I'll be the first to say I was wrong. However, I have no reason to warm my vocal cords for apology time yet. And I don't think I ever will.


Blogger mctopeka said ... (11:31 AM, November 28, 2006) : 

There are already plans to build a 2000-3000 seat Ice rink in Topeka(Topeka Ice) and some of the fund raising has already taken place. What if the team plans on helping to raise more money to build this rink and then move there after the first or second year? What if the team might be planning to move up to Jr. A(NAHL) after they move to the new rink? Everything isn't always black and white, there are always shades of grey.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:11 PM, November 28, 2006) : 

Is Topeka Ice a Group Ice place? And if yes, it makes no sense, especially after the Tilt owner pretty much bashed them in a local move to one of their buildings again.


Blogger Marc Foster said ... (2:13 PM, November 28, 2006) : 

Topeka Ice hasn't even been built yet... how could it be a Group Ice facility? It's just a working name for the project.



Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:04 PM, November 28, 2006) : 

If there are real plans, there should also be a group / company that will own / run it...
These buildings do not just pop up....They take a few years to design, city approvals, build, etc.


Blogger mctopeka said ... (5:32 PM, November 28, 2006) : 

Go to

You will find what you need to know there. That is the name of the arena and the group trying to get it built.


Blogger dustinoffthecowbell said ... (9:21 PM, November 28, 2006) : 

Hi all. All I know is I miss hockey. It was our family night and we loved the atmosphere, fan friends we made and the excitement of a team sport. We don't want college football, baseball, basketball, soccer or anything else. My family have been avid supporters from day one of Topeka hockey and we will gladly support this team or any other team that we should be so lucky to get. Everybody please just be happy for us and hope the best for your exiting team. We both deserve it.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:11 AM, November 29, 2006) : 

The Tilt have done nothing for the city of Tucson or its hockey programs, What is going to change in Topeka?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:17 PM, November 30, 2006) : 

Ask not what your team can do for you but what you can do for the team.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:38 PM, December 01, 2006) : 

I hear the Tilt is folding anyways.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:50 PM, December 01, 2006) : 

I can assure you the Tilt aren't folding. The rink might at year end but the Tilt are fine. When you make such bold comments, you should attach your name to the post.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:23 PM, December 01, 2006) : 

You didn't there Ol' Bold one....


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:10 PM, December 02, 2006) : 

sure sounds like they are folding


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:11 PM, December 02, 2006) : 

Care to elaborate on how the Tilt club is NOT folding.????


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:34 PM, December 03, 2006) : 

Just heard that as of today 12/03 all of the players have packed up their gear and are refusing to play for the tilt because of the GM's finacial mismangement of the team. Players who paid for housing are getting evicted, league fees not paid, etc. Good luck Topeka, your gonna need it.


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:39 PM, December 03, 2006) : 

Is that enough elaboration for you?


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:38 PM, December 03, 2006) : 



Blogger mctopeka said ... (8:44 AM, December 04, 2006) : 

I'm right here. I'm not going to hide or hide behind the "anonymous" name. I had full faith and confidence in what we were being told. If things happen down there we wouldn't have anyway of knowing about it. I will still give them the benifit of listening to what they have to say, before I jump to conclusions. I am sad however for the players and anyone else that was involved in this. Hopefully it will all be cleared up soon.


Blogger TOPEKAHOCKEY said ... (4:14 PM, December 06, 2006) : 

Everyone who is bashing MC on here really should pull their heads out of their pipe hole and look. MC had no way of noing this was going to go down like it did. His intentions were pure & honest. He is just an enthusiastic hockey fan who wont accept no for an answer when it come to hockey back in Topeka. Nice job MC & Bucket! Keep up the hard work!


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