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Thursday, March 01, 2007

Fort Vancouver Ruling

Not much news this morning. Most people are awaiting the final ruling in the NorPac/USA Hockey disciplinary case concerning the activities of the Fort Vancouver Pioneers, which is expected today. I don't want to be a tease, but this case has been simmering for a month and should be rather surprising once all the facts are revealed.

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posted by Marc Foster at 3/01/2007 06:32:00 AM

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Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:37 AM, March 01, 2007) : 

Jon Macwilliams?

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (9:22 AM, March 01, 2007) : 

Actually, I believe most of the serious charges against the team pre-date Jon's arrival...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:11 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Jon and Tim in the same Org. lookout.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:33 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Who cares! The only reason the pioneers get this guilty treatment is becasue they are winners. I'd like to see the norpac finally have a name for it self. Other then the name that the league blows! So if the pioneers can get there because they were agressive with recruiting then hat off! it sounds as though people are jealous and don't like to be beat.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:41 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Is this thing ever going to be settled? When will we hear the final verdict? I for one am hoping that nothing is wrong, but realistically we all know that something is and the Pioneer team will either get banished from Nationals or possibly several of their players might get suspended. So Marc, when will we get an answer? Any idea's?

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (1:50 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

I am expecting to hear the final word on the issue today. If my expectation is in error and I end up teasing everyone with my morning post, then I apologize. Still, I've been aware of this case for four weeks, so I'm as anxious to hear the resolution as much as everyone else.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:56 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

YOU are such a TEASE Marc! But we like ya anyway~

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:19 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Anonymous said,

"Who cares! The only reason the pioneers get this guilty treatment is becasue they are winners. I'd like to see the norpac finally have a name for it self. Other then the name that the league blows! So if the pioneers can get there because they were agressive with recruiting then hat off! it sounds as though people are jealous and don't like to be beat."

That has got to be the most ignorant post I have ever seen. When a team breaks the rules and you chalk it up to "agressive recruiting" then you are just as bad as them. I guess you would see the NCAA in the same light. "It's ok that they paid their players, they were just 'being aggressive!'" Why is it that the other top teams in NorPac don't have to deal with the same stuff? Oh, that's right, they do everything on the up-and-up, something Ft. Van. can't figure out.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:55 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

FT Van Cheats and they shouldnt be aloud to play anymore

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:05 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

who cares is right.. but only because it should read "who cares, its not only junior B, but the worst league in the country

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:06 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Not so long as the WSHL is around.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:18 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Word has it they've already been banned by NorPac from the Nationals - if they make it that far.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:33 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

The only reason the Pios get this is because they are winners? Spare me please! While I will admit that they are a juggernaut in this league, the question we should ask is how did they pull it off. Great recruiting? No doubt. Great coaching staff? Probably one of the top in the league. Cheating? Well yeah, but cheating who? THE PLAYERS! They are also cheating their fans and the league as whole. I am a Pios fan and we have been kept in the dark until lately, now I am seeing the light. I feel sorry for the players in one sense but if you had told me at 18 that you would pay for everything and throw in some spending money on top of it I probably would be there in a second. Buyer beware. My opinion of this team turned last weekend when the coach was issued a 1 year suspension by USAH and chose to get an injunction just so he could be on the bench. What an arrogant p****. This showed me that he puts himself in front of the team, they have plenty of qualified coaches to sub in. This on the heels of admitting to player payments in the initial hearings. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Again, he admitted it. I feel sorry for the players, the league and all of USAH as this is a cloudy day in hockey.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:04 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

This goes far beyond paying players, which has happened, and the staff has completely lied to all about it.

How about a player this week being arrested for stealing, resisting arrest, and assault. Oh yeah he skated at practice the day after with in a first line position.

How about last month when a player assaults a husband of the wife that he is caught cheating with in the bathroom when the husband walks in. No charges pressed so the player continues to play.

How about the team providing alcohol to the team on the return trip from Eugene last year while on the bus, and then releasing them at the rink to drive themselves home.

I could go on for days, name names, etc., but that is not my intent. my intent is for this great team to get in some quality people to help these young men.

As far as the coaching they have some good coaches on staff. The head coach by far is the worst, and almost every player has told me they do not respect him.

oh, how about kicking out a current Norpac player that played for your team last year from the rink, only because he signed the affadavit that put all this in motion. Does that imply your are guilty or just a classless organization?

Let the players be. Yes they have made mistakes, and some should be punished, but not the whole team for the decisions of the adults that are supposed to be running this team.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:48 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

I see a problem every season with them so nothing would surprize me. They are all ways trying to cover their bottom and yes i also feel sorry for the players who really just want to play hockey.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:55 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

What about the players who have been paid and are attending college. If they can't provide receipts showing they paid their fees, they stand to loose their NCAA eligibility. This owner needs to be held accountable for the choices he has made. 20K to kids this season and 15k to kids last season. He should have known what the consequences would be if he were caught. Shame on him, I hope the Pio fans and parents of these players stand up and let their voices be heard and heard loudly.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:02 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

I don't disagree about the players that have taken money. The problem is there are several players that have paid their own way, and it wouldn't be fair for these kids.

As far as the owner, he got a little of his own last year. Try paying out several thousands of dollars to a couple players for the playoff run, and then get knowcked out in the first round. The only smart ones in that are the ones that got upwards of $2000 and more for only 6-7 games.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:07 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

That is an awful lot of inside information posted. It makes one wonder if the poster is so convicted regarding this matter, why the anonymous tag? You mentioned about "naming names", how about naming yours.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:24 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

I am sorry. I support this team in many ways, and if I was to post my name, knowing the charecter of this staff, I would not be able to do what I do for these kids. I hope through peer pressue they will clean things up, or something will be done. Getting rid of the people that are trying to do the right thing would only make the situation worse.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:52 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

It seems the only fair thing to do, if the Pios are taken out of the playoffs, is to start the playoffs over in the Pacific division. It's too bad all of this didn't come to light earlier and a ruling could have been handed down before playoffs began. It's unfortunate that the four teams who legally qualified for the playoffs didn't get to face off. Marc, do you know how the playoffs in the Pacific division will be impacted?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:04 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

The boys must not make that much money if they have to shoplift.... What would you propose should have been done to this boy, by the way? Is it unreasonable that the coaches assumed that the authorities are capable of handling problems of that nature? Do you feel the boy shouldn't have gone to practice at all? Or is it that he was on the "first line" that bothers you? ...That would surely benefit the rest of the boys... having a new line mate, or no line mate this late in the season! Good thing you aren't making those type of decisions for the team, as it seems you do have alot of hostility. Where were you sitting at that practice? Should I take a guess?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:19 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

So, let me get this straight. You feel that the coaches only have jurisdiction over their players while they're on the ice and anything they do off the ice is for someone else to deal with. Are you serious?!? These players need to learn that there are consequences to their actions, and if those consequences negatively impact their line mates or team then so be it.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:23 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

These players aren't paid anything to play. Since their families pay their fees to the team and pay the billett fees it's agaist the NorPac rules and the owner knows this.

The player who was arrested, now has a record and he's the one that has to keep it clean. Knowing how "seedy" the Pios have been, he probably was congratualted with a pat on the back.

For the player who was caught doing the "monkey dance" with the wife and assaulted the husband - bad on the husband, he should have filed charges. Double bad on the wife & player. These players aren't worth the $250/mo billett fee to jeopardize anyone's marriage. They are several leagues away from the NHL. This isn't the first time there have been player/billett relationships with the Pios.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:29 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

No, let ME get this straight... Are you suggesting that YOU, whomever you may be, must be made aware of what the repercussions are for matters of which are none of your business? Your Honor, you may do "alot" for the boys but you are not the "official consequence judge."

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:00 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

I think the bigger picture is being overlooked here. These players represent their teams and the Norpac as a whole on and off the ice. If an impropriety occurs then each individual team needs to deal with it approriately. We send our kids off to Junior hockey in hopes that they will not only become better players, but better men. This is not a judgement but an opinion.

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (9:10 PM, March 01, 2007) : 

Okay that's enough everyone... that's what I get for taking a few hours off from monitoring this. I'm going to shut down the comments for a bit and let everyone cool off... When the ruling comes down I'll turn it back on.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:53 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

Is this Tuscon Tilt Part TWO?

I guess the fact that Macwilliam didn't arrvive sooner is probably why they still have money to pay their players!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:52 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

"oh, how about kicking out a current Norpac player that played for your team last year from the rink, only because he signed the affadavit that put all this in motion. Does that imply your are guilty or just a classless organization?"

ARE YOU KIDDING ME, this player that started this whole thing is NOT very credible. It all resulted because he was being childish and complained he couldn't be on the first line..then threatened to go to USAH and NORPAC with allegations to expose the club. He wanted to be traded to another NORPAC team but they didn't want him - because he owed them money from the previous season. Not only that, he has left that last two organizations prior to that not in financial goodstanding. He was a cancer to this team from the very beginning and never really fit in to this tight-knit group of kids. He also provided alcohol to his teammates (because he's 21) The best thing the Pioneer staff did was put him on a bus home.

As for the mention of 'last years team' (this is not even the same team)and alcohol being furnished to players on a return trip from Eugene -- they fired that coach. He now coaches for River City - how do you figure!*& One more person with an axe to grind.

Get your facts straight! Instead of believing the 'rumor mill' as the gospel truth.

I do agree with a previous blogger that the only reason the pioneers get this guilty treatment is because they are winners..and those who can't win are just trying to find a way in the back door.

This team is destined - if there is any wrongdoing, penalize those responsible, but don't penalize the kids for what they do so well, play their heart and soul out as a team.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:55 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

"This goes far beyond paying players, which has happened, and the staff has completely lied to all about it.

How about a player this week being arrested for stealing, resisting arrest, and assault. Oh yeah he skated at practice the day after with in a first line position."

NO HE DIDN'T. He's a defensemen. There was a team meeting that followed and he was disciplined along with some other players for breaking some rules recently.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:46 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

Please do not come at me with this stupid stuff. If you want to get more specific then that is fine. I was trying to keep it general.

First off the player that was kicked out of the rink is not the person you speak of. He may have left teams before in bad standing. This I can not say for sure. What I do know is that he went back and played for the team that supposedly didn't want him and he left in bad financial standing. As far as him providing alcohol since he was 21 is wrong. I am sorry, but he turned 21 after he left the team. About him providing alcohol before that yes, as do many other teammates. He left because he was not happy with his playing time. I am not defending the player, but get your facts straight. And to say that he did this out of spite may be right, but there must be some truth to it, or we wouldn't even be talking about the involvment of USA and NorPac Hockey.

Now about your player that got arrested, lets talk about that. First off I know what position he plays. That is why I said he was practicing in a first line postion. Reread my post. Since you said it, yes he is a defenseman. I did not want to get to specific. Now the punishement. I do not know if you want me to go down this road, but since you brought it up lets go. They had a team meeting. It was to tell the players that they NOW have a curfew, and that NOW they can not frink even if they are 21. Whatever. I can say that this is still not being enforced. After the new rules the coaches asked if he had something to say to the team and so he said "I am sorry." Wow, that make it right.

So yesterday this player, that is busted for shopliftting and assault has to clean the rink along with several other players. Wow about two hours of punishment. Now why were the others cleaning also. Oh yeah they were drinking on the return trip home from Tri-Cities after last weekend on the bus. Wow again big punishment.

Should I also mention that the player that was arrested while cleaning also drew a picture of male genetalia and FU in the cleaning foam on the glass. Ok I know kids will be kids, but during public skate with several little kids on the ice. Come on, this kid has issues that he is not getting help for.

As far as last years team and it was the fault of last years coach. Whatever. Yes he did some things wrong and this was part of it. But lets be real. The current coach got off the bus in Salem and purchased more alcohol for the team. So your guy is not so innocent. Lets ask all of the other teams how many of their coaches drink on the bus when they go on road trips. This has happened this year with your current staff. I would just be curious about this one.

As far as your tight team, you are being snowballed by somebody. This team has groups of about 3-4 people in each group. And the groups are based on who is their drinking budy.

As I have said before, I like this team and it is a very talented team. I have never wanted the players to suffer as a team, maybe some individuals should though. What I want to see is this organization not allow all of the worng doings and hold these players accountable. I guess that is tought when it starts at the top.

I don't know if you want to continue this trip down the road. I do not base anything from the rumor mill. I have said before I get my facts directly from the players, coaches, and organization. I have witnessed a lot also. Please do not act like nothing goes on here. Things are wrong, and it is time to clean it up. And guess what, the team would still be the best team in the west and possibly the entire NorPac.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:58 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

"As I have said before, I like this team and it is a very talented team. I have never wanted the players to suffer as a team, maybe some individuals should though. What I want to see is this organization not allow all of the worng doings and hold these players accountable. I guess that is tought when it starts at the top.

I don't know if you want to continue this trip down the road. I do not base anything from the rumor mill. I have said before I get my facts directly from the players, coaches, and organization. I have witnessed a lot also. Please do not act like nothing goes on here. Things are wrong, and it is time to clean it up. And guess what, the team would still be the best team in the west and possibly the entire NorPac."

My apologies to you - it is obvious you are closely involved with the Pioneers. I don't frequent the practices, but I am connected.

I AGREE and support your statements above. The behavior should not be condoned, and if I were the coaching staff, I would have followed the example of the Eugene Generals and sat the recent offenders at the first play off game tomorrow night. We all know that won't happen. No matter how good the team, they have to be a disciplined group and respect their coaches and teammates and realize there are strong consequences for their actions. Too bad the coaching staff has not been good at enforcing that.

I like this team too and I think they can go all the way -even after all the dust settles.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:40 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

It sounds like someone finally stepped up and is now holding some kids acountable. The player that was busted for shoplifting is now off of the team. Before I praise the organization I need to first find out if this was a decision made by the team, or if his parents pulled him home.

Maybe getting on here and airing out their laundry has finally made them step up and be the responsible one.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:42 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

by the team.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:34 PM, March 02, 2007) : 

I am correcting the previous poster who claimed the beer that was bought for the last years team was bought by the coach that was fired...you are incorrect. As a parent of a player last season, I had heard rumors of what was happening and I specifically asked a person who was/is considered one of the ones in charge about the rumor. I was told by this person that Tim and Joe specifically had the driver stop to buy beer for the team. I believe it was enough for two beers per player. They bought the alcohol for the boys after they won in Eugene over New Years Eve, but later decided to not pass it out because they had learned that an older player had bought beer as well at the convenient store they stopped at, so all beer was taken away and none was given out. I was told to my face by Tim O'Neal that they tolerated no drugs or did not condone partying and then I find out he had purchased it with plans of passing it out to my under age son. I have no respect for him or Joe. I hope they both burn. Karma is a beautiful thing. It is not prejudice, it doesn't care if you have money or not and it never forgets. I only hope that I am made aware of the Karma that they get.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:14 PM, March 03, 2007) : 

Much of the past post is true, but there still was drinking that happened. I never heard of the beer being taken away. I saw five kids of the team after they got back and they all had drank beer on the bus ride home. I also spoke to a parent/billet of a player from last years team at camp this year that was completely upset about the situation, because their 17 old kid called for a ride home, becasue he felt he was too intoxicated to drive himself home.

The beer was initially purchased for when they got on the bus, and then they made a stop on the way home to purchase more beer. This does not sound like the same story that the great and honest administrators of this team are passing out.

And while we are talkinga bout last years coach lets get down to the truth. What happened at the showcase was a blackeye for the NorPac. But no coaches were involved, it was all the pleyers doing. And all that they were doing is the same thing they always do when they are with their own teammates. Props to Bobby turning them in. Now the past coach was fired/resigned because he would not allow the pwner to tell him who would play and who wouldn't amongst other things that the owner should have no say in. The owner and coach agreed it would be best if he left so the owner could bring his own guy in to be incharge, and would let him (owner)have to much influence on the team. Well we now see this year how that all turned out.

Is there anything else you would like to know the truth about? Too many people have been snow balled.

As far as charecter traits how about the owner filing bankruptcy and losing his two business venture last year. Oh yeah breach of contract on his part of the franchise. This was the second time that had happened, a nd possibly a third, I am still trying to confirm that. Lets just say his experience with lawyers and a courtroom has paid off with the Pioneers Situation this year.

Have fun tonight at the second round of playoffs.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:30 PM, March 04, 2007) : 

aahh...Marc you're no fun -- what happened to the Ft Vanc Update blog? --as a Ft Vanc parent I was finding it entertaining watching all the back and forth banter and many different opinions.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:09 AM, March 05, 2007) : 

You seem to be in the know, so can you tell me what happened to the other goalie - Leach? Is he hurt, or why has he not played during the playoffs? He a tough during the regular season, and I see his name still with the team per pointstreak.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:09 PM, March 05, 2007) : 

He's holding out until he gets a raise in his paycheck...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:16 PM, March 05, 2007) : 

Aliens came and abducted him. We don't know where he is but he is in our prayers.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:24 PM, March 05, 2007) : 

Leach is back up goalie and suits up every game.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:37 PM, March 06, 2007) : 

So Marc, why didn't anyone say anything about Jon McBride when one of his players had beer ion his car and was killed? And by the way ROCO how do you think you are helping these kids?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:34 PM, March 06, 2007) : 

BUSTED!!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:12 AM, March 07, 2007) : 

I am sooooo glad that my son turned down and offer to play for the pioneers. All the money in the world can not make up for honesty and integrity. Who cares about all the other stuff. Those players and the coaches can never honestly claim victory with a team that has been bought.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:16 AM, March 07, 2007) : 

I disagree. And you obviously are drinking the koolaid. All these negative posts about the team sound like they're coming from those who either weren't good enough to make this team or are just jealous of the teams success.

That's always how it is when a team is on top - people always trying to find a way to knock them down. Why don't you take a look at inside your OWN team --- I'm sure you're kids are perfect.

Get off the team - when the alleged issues revolve around management.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:40 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

If your son was good enough he would have played for the Pio's. Wishful thinking on your part. He should stay and play with the little kids. He wasn't good enough anyway. All I can say is you should change his diaper and let him stay home with MOMMY!!!!

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (3:48 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

Okay children that's enough. I can and will take down the comments if I need to.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:11 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

Marc,

I agree that things are getting out of hand but "YOU" need to get the facts before you put this crap on your blog. USA hockey over re-acted and you over re-acted. The charges were never proven and until they are we need to get off the subject and not fuel the fire. The way the Eugene supporters acted at Mt View was outrageous and totally un-called for. They should be ashamed of them selves included the three elderly ladies (loosely called ladies) were waiving dollar bills in peoples faces. Shame on them. They of all people should know better.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:15 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

Your bloggers should get their factsstraight. The previous coach was fired becasue he would not give the owner of the Pio's the paperwork that stated what happened at the showcase. He wanted to sheild his players from discipline. Yokam was not an innocent bystander. He did not want the owner to find out that he had no control of the kids at the showcase. Check your facts before you state the "WRONG" thing.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:44 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

My son was good enough, and he did play for the Pios, and speaking from experience that organization is shady from the top to the bottom. I am so thankful my son doesn't play there anymore. It is my understanding that the owners/coaches admitted to paying players 35K over the last two years. How can you defend that? In my experience, where there's smoke there's fire and there's a whole lotta smoke surrounding this organization.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:14 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

Having known some of the Pioneers staff (coaching and administration) for several years, the shady dealings don't surprize me one bit. It's unfortunate that the players get placed in the middle. But, if allowed to continue, the unethical dealing will continue. And unfortunately it might means that this year's team has to take the punishment for the organization. It's sad but true. Does Norpac really want the Pioneers to represent them at nationals? If they (the Pioneers organization) gets aways with unethical dealing now, they get away with it next year and the year after. I saw on this site that someone said that all the negative comments was purely jealousy, because the team was winning, I don't think so. It's seeing an organization get ahead by unethical means, that's what makes people mad. If the Pioneers were winning honestly, then people would be all for them. Some of the people involved with the Pioneers have been in trouble in the past, they don't seem to learn from their mistakes, and if allowed to continue cheating, they will continue to cheat. Bottom line.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:59 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

This is an absolute joke. You people are either full blown liars or just idiots. Having known this organization for the past 3 years and seen how the players and parents are treated, none of you have a clue and should crawl back in your holes and give all this money back to Jon Mc Bride or Donna Kaufman.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:40 PM, March 07, 2007) : 

What?!* the above two people who KNOW how to manipulate the rules and find the loopholes to benefit their needs when it pertains to THEIR specific teams. All I have to say is don't point the finger at any one team... take a look at the people runnin' NORPAC.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:36 PM, March 08, 2007) : 

To the poster 2 above - you MUST have on blinders! Of course the parents and players have been treated well by Joe, it's amazing what money can buy. It's called being an adult, being responsible for your actions, being accountable for your actions and not lie about it.

The owner knows it is against the rules to pay these young me AND he knows what the conseqences are if these players are found guilty.

You'd have a winning team too if you gave your players free meals for the most penalty minutes in a game, free dinners for the most goals in a game, more ice time for partying with the coach and owner in the Tim O'Neals garage.

And as stated several post above, Joe has admitted to paying 20K to players this season and 15K to players last season. Wonder what the IRS would find if they audited his records.

We billited a player this past season that was on Ft Vans team, we've heard all about what Joe does for the team. Quit viewing the situation with your eyes closed!

Don't feel sorry for Joe, he knew what he was doing and for the ladies holding up those dollar bills, way to go! Like it's the first time the players have had money waived in their face.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:22 AM, March 10, 2007) : 

Ft Van. found guilty by NP & USA Hockey, as reported this evening during their game against Eugene. I'm sure it's already on someone's blog. Owner & coach will take the brunt of whatever you want to call the penalties given. But will be able to continue playing towards Nat's?? Management & coach knew it was wrong, as did the Players! Cheat & be rewarded, hope you all can live with yourselves.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (5:38 PM, March 10, 2007) : 

post above, so if this was reported and IF Eugene's broadcasters info was accurate - what did they announce during their program?

Marc ---if a ruling was made final and signed yesterday can you now post what the outcome was,what the penalties assessed were? What are the facts and who were the players compensated?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:59 PM, March 17, 2007) : 

a couple posts up about leach.
the kid has been working his ass off for this team and he IS NOT getting paid.
he suits up every game, goes to every practice, goes to every off-ice, and pretty much every stick time.
maybe we should be looking at smith's bank account. or maybe Tim is just sleeping with his mother or something like that.
i still don't get tim's logic for not playing leach. solid all season. good stats. smith's were better yeah but he wasn't excatly 10th in the regular season.
poor kid. another victim of tims fat ass head.


ps anybody here about the bus ride back home from montana?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:36 PM, March 18, 2007) : 

yeah i also heard a rumor that leach was the only person on the bus (players coaches and coaches sons included) that wasn't drinking.

just helps to make your point i guess. how about that one kid not completely corrupted by this organization

 

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