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Wednesday, November 14, 2007

Wednesday News

The list of penalties for both teams was not available at the time of this release. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have our leading candidate for Understatement of the Year! In typical USA Hockey fashion, if you ignore it, perhaps it will go away. Here's the video of what happened... About a quarter of the way through we see Team USA (aka the NTDP U-17s) get into a bench clearing brawl with the Russians at the conclusion of the Four Nations Tournament. Memo to USAH: It's not 1995 anymore. Just because it happened on the other side of the planet doesn't mean it's not going to show up online somewhere. With any luck the NTDP will get this out of their system by Friday when they play the St. Louis Bandits...

Ken Campbell lays out the odds of an elite player making the NHL. Maybe one of these days he'll tackle the cold war between the USHL and CHL...

Michigan mirrors trend of more Americans on college hockey rosters. Red Berenson takes a few shots at the CHL in this one...

Sportsplex deal falls through, pretty much killing any chance of junior hockey returning to Texarkana...

Silvertips pick up "dangerous player" in Clayton Bauer. (second article)...

Réal Paiement coaches game #1000 in QMJHL...

Nachbaur joins elite club with milestone win #350 in WHL. Then again, I know a coach 200 miles north of me with over 400 WHL wins and just one league title to show for it, so it's not that big a deal unless you can get your teams to finish, eh?

Generals reel in some veteran help, acquire winger Patrick Asselin from Saginaw for draft picks...

Chicago Steel elevate head coach Steve Poapst to general manager...

City of Kingston halts outdoor construction on Sundays at downtown sports centre...

Foggies better team than record would seem to indicate, says Kempe...

Matthew Bragg makes impact in Windsor...

Prince George Cougars are slumping, badly...

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Comments on "Wednesday News"

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:52 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

Come on, maybe that's just how they congratulate each other on the other side of the world!!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:06 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

How about the pregame handshake between Avery and Tucker!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:54 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

How about another USA Hockey debacle, when will these guys learn you can't hide your warts in the 21st century anymore?

NTDP is a joke and needs to be disbanded -- for the millions of dollars a year we pump into that program it products, what, a national disgrace?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:28 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

hey marc, how come you continue to take shots at CHL about their college education system when USHL counts players with already commitments prior to joining a USHL roster as if USHL got him the scholly?

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:57 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

And the Reds should not nuke the USA, why?
Great way to represent our Country.

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (11:04 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

Alumni are alumni regardless of where they came from or where they are going. The Oshawa Generals will always get to claim Tavares and the Soo Greyhounds Gretzky even though neither probably have/had a significant impact when you consider the raw talent both players had to begin with.

The shots I take at the CHL are simply reflections of the data they provide regarding their college payouts. They like to flash these big numbers around, but simple math means the payouts aren't that great. What sort of college payout is Lyon Messier going to get? Nothing compared to what he could have attained had he stayed in the NAHL or USHL.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:37 AM, November 14, 2007) : 

NTDP should be developing NHL Stars. I don't see it. Canada doesn't need it. USA Hockey should be responsible for fielding international teams/Olympics. Taking a U17 team that barely competes in the NAHL is stepping sideways. They should be dominating these teams. Seems the top players have figured that out and chosen a different route.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:41 PM, November 14, 2007) : 

Unless you were in Russia and know the facts, it's not appropriate to cast judgment. The video, by the way, is spliced together. The final game sheet does not include one penalty called at the end of the game.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:06 PM, November 14, 2007) : 

I wasn't in Russia, yet I'll still cast judgment.

My judgment isn't tied in with the free-for-all, but one must admit that if we DID start that it's an embarrassment for USA Hockey as a whole.

The NTDP is always going to be wide open for criticism. Very weird set up where all USA Hockey people support that program financially as a condition of membership.

Therefore, as a USA Hockey dues-paying member, I get to cast judgment. I've never said USA Hockey has to listen to me, but they might listen to enough of us.

The lightning rod NTDP will always get too much criticism for things like this and always get too much credit for a kid who gets drafted or signed to a NCAA National Letter of Intent. The NTDP does not raise and teach the hockey player. Same holds true for USHL and NAHL teams. They merely put the well-developed player on a pedestal for college and pro scouts to see.

 

Blogger Marc Foster said ... (2:24 PM, November 14, 2007) : 

I'm not casting judgment on the event, I've been to a few of these rodeos and each has their own unique causes. I was simply commenting on USA Hockey's treatment (or lack thereof) of the event. If there's no boxscore, fine... but the narrative of the game summary lacked any reference whatsoever, and that is what has most upset.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:39 PM, November 14, 2007) : 

Let's see, the NTDP helped develop, Dipetro, Kesler, Booth, Umberger, Whitney, Jack Johnson, Erik Johnson, and ah yes, Patrick Kane. Not too shabby for weird setup development program.
From Russia, I am surprised there was any game report. and was there a refs signature. please call the IIHF, if you have a beef.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:49 PM, November 14, 2007) : 

"Let's see, the NTDP helped develop, Dipetro, Kesler, Booth, Umberger, Whitney, Jack Johnson, Erik Johnson, and ah yes, Patrick Kane. Not too shabby for weird setup development program."

My point exactly - "helped" being the key word. They did not fully develop these players. These players were damn good when they arrived at the NTDP. These players would have received college scholarships if they played in the USHL, which costs USA Hockey dues-paying members nothing.

That's the point. If you think it's a good expenditure, just say that. It doesn't mean everyone will agree with you. No one is arguing the talent level of the players from the USHL, NAHL, USNTDP, etc.

The point is how this program is paid for and how it functions when many think the free market would do the same job.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:24 PM, November 14, 2007) : 

QUESTION
WHY DO NORPAC TEAMS CARE
ENOUGH TO GET WEB SITES ?
AND KEEP THERE WEB SITES UP-TO- DATE ? DO THEY CARE ABOUT THERE
FANS ? SPONSERS ? ETC...

 

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